tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post7844207613797227887..comments2024-03-25T02:31:25.905-07:00Comments on The Independent Wargames Group: Just another thought. Independentwargamesgrouphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07019172667119107650noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-19152569941447176312021-10-28T03:03:42.763-07:002021-10-28T03:03:42.763-07:00very late to the party - but couldn't agree mo...very late to the party - but couldn't agree more with JohnD's comment above.Marchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16700736827629594761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-84045060885475629062016-03-15T21:45:39.794-07:002016-03-15T21:45:39.794-07:00Alte Fritz already mentioned Doug Mason, who has s...Alte Fritz already mentioned Doug Mason, who has something about Peter Guilder on his blog. Doug also has lots of pretty pictures of Peter's figures painted by Doug.<br /><br />http://dougmasonfigures.blogspot.com/2013/09/a-group-photo-taken-at-holiday-center.html<br /><br />There is a lot of Peter Guilder eye candy on that blog. Also there are some back issues of Military Modelling on there where you might see some of Peter's figures.<br /><br />I paint some figures designed by Peter Guilder and post them on my facebook page<br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/Miniatures<br /><br />and my blog<br /><br />http://lacenbighats.blogspot.com/2016/03/28mm-napoleonic-wurttemberg.htmlGamer in Exilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09922741011106337758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-46337970950533888122016-03-05T02:35:42.494-08:002016-03-05T02:35:42.494-08:00Hi Rob
Just catching up with this thread - I worke...Hi Rob<br />Just catching up with this thread - I worked with Frank on Bicorne in the 90's and he gave me loads of anecdotes about Peter - I also knew Peter and was at his funeral and put on a demo game at his Memorial Day run by Doreen his widow at her house - a blog would allow people to post their memories - a book would be good but expensive and let's be honest to most people under 40 Gilders style is of another time and without the benefit of rose tinted nostalgic eyewear what will they see ? Gloss painted figures painted with exaggerated highlights - the figures lack detail and the anatomy varies from figure to figure - the terrain is made from blocks of wood dressed with model railway bits - as an innovator he was the best and he was my biggest influence but he once told me he wished that he could make figures like the Perrys - he loved their smoothness and detail - he just loved the hobby and admired others for the work they did - let's be honest the Perrys love them or hate them have reached a lot more people than Peter ever did - so run the blog as a nostalgic trip for us old codgers but don't think for one minute you'll convert Perry fanboys from their path of detail is king<br />Ian SAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04395840627418261411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-9396308023146574082016-03-03T08:12:27.733-08:002016-03-03T08:12:27.733-08:00As good perhaps but certainly not better. There is...As good perhaps but certainly not better. There is a movement in his models that has never been bettered.Big Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17235478427317774609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-33920677338600865302016-02-28T10:04:23.832-08:002016-02-28T10:04:23.832-08:00John,
Never heard of it.But I will endevour to fin...John,<br />Never heard of it.But I will endevour to find a copy.Independentwargamesgrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019172667119107650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-29680590062344981512016-02-28T01:52:24.053-08:002016-02-28T01:52:24.053-08:00Robbie,If you can get your hands on a copy of Sher...Robbie,If you can get your hands on a copy of Sherridan's History of Modern Wargaming,Volume two,you will find a full two chapters on Peter Gilder's contribution and influence to wargaming in the 60's and 70's.<br />cheers,johnc(william)william couttshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05366775487316870101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-64141250172469915202016-02-28T01:13:19.761-08:002016-02-28T01:13:19.761-08:00http://www.vintagewargamingfigures.info/rblack/ind...http://www.vintagewargamingfigures.info/rblack/index.html<br /><br />try this for more info<br /><br />cheers Old Johnold johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13939079093965317317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-29959509020559777402016-02-28T01:13:06.723-08:002016-02-28T01:13:06.723-08:00http://www.vintagewargamingfigures.info/rblack/ind...http://www.vintagewargamingfigures.info/rblack/index.html<br /><br />try this for more info<br /><br />cheers Old Johnold johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13939079093965317317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-76936141711773839252016-02-27T05:12:17.321-08:002016-02-27T05:12:17.321-08:00It's not PINK,it's GERANIUM RED!!!
johnc(w...It's not PINK,it's GERANIUM RED!!!<br />johnc(william)william couttshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05366775487316870101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-13507293517330628452016-02-27T03:50:34.285-08:002016-02-27T03:50:34.285-08:00Andy,
I have heard various accounts of the white ...Andy,<br /> I have heard various accounts of the white goods affair, and I dont have a definitive answer to what happened. It doesnt really matter and isnt really part of the wargaming aspect of the Gilder story. As regards Alberken, I wasnt aware of this. Independentwargamesgrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019172667119107650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-270368918541694182016-02-27T03:47:24.509-08:002016-02-27T03:47:24.509-08:00Andy,
I think Peter Gilder, took ideas from the o...Andy, <br />I think Peter Gilder, took ideas from the other sculpters at that time, and vice versa. He was clearly a close friend of John Braithwaite, of Garrison fame, and no doubt there was a crossover there.Independentwargamesgrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019172667119107650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-739916154332724492016-02-27T03:45:33.156-08:002016-02-27T03:45:33.156-08:00Morning John,
I am with you on this, I dont think...Morning John,<br /> I am with you on this, I dont think the Gilder style has ever been bettered. Especially in the 'look' of a wargame. Gilder's terrain always caught ones eye, and although later gamers copied the style, I dont think they could get the look to the same standard.<br /> As for the question of painters, again I think we are looking along the same lines. And finally as regards the best way to celebrate Gilders achievements, can there be anything better than being sat poring over a book with images of the work of the Peter Gilder school of wargamers.<br /> What I do think should happen is that I put some kind of update on my blog, as and when I make some sort of progress, then at least it gives me a gee up to crack on and take the bull by the horns. Independentwargamesgrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019172667119107650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-57617870308167440942016-02-27T03:39:41.422-08:002016-02-27T03:39:41.422-08:00Thanks John,
I wasnt aware about Gilder's inpu...Thanks John,<br />I wasnt aware about Gilder's input to Alberken. As regards John Curry, I had thought of him, and also Dave Ryan. I think I had better get some material together first though.Independentwargamesgrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019172667119107650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-2876930577943086772016-02-27T01:23:28.613-08:002016-02-27T01:23:28.613-08:00suggested sources for info on PG
Hinds Figures for...suggested sources for info on PG<br />Hinds Figures for Hinchcliffe<br />Caliver Books for Minifigs<br /><br />and yes PG did design Alberken figures, the forerunners of Minifigs<br /><br />as to doing a book maybe John Curry who has republished and expanded many old wargaming books by Featherstone, Asquith et al<br /><br />hope that helps<br />cheers Old John<br />old johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13939079093965317317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-56003466931552433552016-02-26T14:55:52.645-08:002016-02-26T14:55:52.645-08:00On the question of "what is "Gilder"...On the question of "what is "Gilder"?" in the context of sculpting vs painting etc, then I think it's a fairly easy answer. It's the "style" of his figures that is distinctive, in terms of movement, type of painting and scale of ambition (in terms of terrain and units). Who actually painted a given unit or created a building isn't the main concern. I see "Gilder" a bit like a famous artists studio, not all the work done by them personally, but done in their style and with their creative direction.<br /><br />It may seem controversial to say it (given the way the hobby has gone), but has anybody really done anything better since? In terms of the overall "effect".<br /><br />I would say no, certainly not consistently, over such a range of periods and timeframe.<br /><br />Blogs are ok, and maybe as a start, but its books that last.<br /><br />John<br /><br /><br />John Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02449124628273885977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-2958415089326611822016-02-26T08:11:25.133-08:002016-02-26T08:11:25.133-08:00They certainly knew each other - I think you are r...They certainly knew each other - I think you are right- stylisticaly they are very similar.<br /> Of course a lot of early gilder- the Hincliffe years were "similar" to other makers of the time.<br /> the ECW were very close to Les Higgins 30mm and some of the others were very Willie. Big Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17235478427317774609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-46658785178676121302016-02-26T05:41:21.193-08:002016-02-26T05:41:21.193-08:00By the way - I acknowledge my debt - his Sudan art...By the way - I acknowledge my debt - his Sudan articles int hose Wargamers worlds magazines started my entire Sudan project!Steve-the-Wargamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07077311120172727690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-14901271959395186582016-02-26T05:40:31.005-08:002016-02-26T05:40:31.005-08:00Der Alter Fritze is on to something - have you con...Der Alter Fritze is on to something - have you considered using the framework of Wikipedia to help you though? I've checked and there is no entry for Peter Gilder - just some nods from associated articles.. worth considering?Steve-the-Wargamerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07077311120172727690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-79974881002660506022016-02-26T04:11:43.994-08:002016-02-26T04:11:43.994-08:00Great idea, like many it was Gilder who got me int...Great idea, like many it was Gilder who got me into wargaming, late seventies.<br /><br />Was not Peter Morbey taught to sculpt by PG? I was told that but not sure if true? Certainly the styles are quite similar.'Lee.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02728400013024811279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-19966629225323114482016-02-26T02:14:08.076-08:002016-02-26T02:14:08.076-08:00Robbie- Tend to agree with Fritz here - do it as a...Robbie- Tend to agree with Fritz here - do it as a blog- at least to start with<br /> Gilder goes back further than you think... Check uo the Old Metal detector blog- didn't he design the Alberken range- sort of minifigs before minifigs. Also don't just do a whitewash though you might want to miss the "white goods" affair - allegedly ..... Big Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17235478427317774609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-54641125047919066082016-02-26T02:09:33.620-08:002016-02-26T02:09:33.620-08:00Excellent, one more for my list.
As I have attemp...Excellent, one more for my list.<br /> As I have attempted to articulate my biggest concern is that I start the project and then end up failing. In my book Peter Gilder deserves at least some recognition in the wargaming chronicles. Independentwargamesgrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019172667119107650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-7769110422043962702016-02-26T02:07:10.679-08:002016-02-26T02:07:10.679-08:00Ah yes, John Coutts. But are you sure it was influ...Ah yes, John Coutts. But are you sure it was influence and not something more sinister. Personally anyone who insists on dressing up his disciples in PINK has definitely had a sinister influence in my book.Independentwargamesgrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019172667119107650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-38804592242769612122016-02-26T02:05:08.300-08:002016-02-26T02:05:08.300-08:00Again, I have thought that would be a great way to...Again, I have thought that would be a great way to compile not only information but also it would become a living record perhaps. The only drawback is that I am digitally incompetent. Independentwargamesgrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019172667119107650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-71792599698469439552016-02-26T02:03:32.930-08:002016-02-26T02:03:32.930-08:00No thank you for getting me thinking. Conrad I tak...No thank you for getting me thinking. Conrad I take it you are still in law enforcement? When one hangs up their cuffs etc, you need a project to keep you motivated, hopefully this will be one for me. Independentwargamesgrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019172667119107650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1558595533686058562.post-8505210158139096372016-02-26T02:01:10.220-08:002016-02-26T02:01:10.220-08:00That has been a real headache for me to be frank. ...That has been a real headache for me to be frank. There is absolutely no doubt that Gilder took credit, either deliberately or inadvertently for a lot of his wonderful units.Certainly when I went to see Tony Runkee last year, it was obvious that Gilder was able to tap into a great deal of painting talent, still why not, I certainly would have.As for Frank Hinchliffe, I suspected that, which is a good reason to put together a record of what should may be described as the Gilder way of wargaming.And your right we should talk. E mail me some contact numbers etc.Independentwargamesgrouphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019172667119107650noreply@blogger.com